I wanted to like this. But as I started to read it took a good premise and set of facts and went to a place that rendered it empty.
To look back at this history and not present information about the role of Fascists in American government, industry, media, academia and intelligence agencies like the CIA (Dulles) and FBI is flawed. This history backdrop was that struggle within our own government. And the criminal syndicates that used ideologies for political advantage, not any deeply held belief systems of governance.
Actors who later reached a detente, a sort of Hitler-Stalin Pact with secret protocols/top mob family organizational meeting.
RFK Jr. is right about who killed his father and uncle. Just not completely why. Any analysis or theory of what has happened, is happening and is planned that doesn't draw upon that underlying and overriding understanding is flawed.
Yes, Communism is dangerous as you explain in the minds of true believers, the cultists. It is an especially wicked ideological tool for its cult-making appeal. Fascism is a little less cultish in that it has that small partition of public-private partnership rather than totality of government. But it's equally dangerous in its ability to bring private industry efficiency to bear on bad public policy. It industrializes death. Better than Communism. While Communism is more likely to produce murdererous cultists it's a less efficient model that produces large piles of bodies because of its inefficiency. Not because they're the measure of production incentivized by Fascist governance.
Both. Are. Evil. And wielded as tools and weapons for criminal syndicates to rule the masses. Criminals who have more in common with each other than they do the people they rule over. With those ideological constructs providing a veneer of legitimacy to their criminal rule.
It seems we have reached a point where we are not any better than our Communist enemies, maybe it was never so, we just "faked" it better. Admittedly, not hard when your opponents are using the Communist Marxist playbook. Life in the USA is better, though not so much now that Communism (Fascism) has taken over. So there will be competition among the systems, I, for one, would like our system to emerge victorious. It will never be the same, it will never be able to go back to a "shining city on a hill," but none the less, victorious.
Life is *differently* better in the US. I learned in world travel that other ways of life around the world are better at many things in many ways than the US. There's tradeoffs. It comes down to what better ways and things do we, as individuals, value most? And what other peoples and systems around the world do more that better fits our value preferences.
The US has become overly safety and security focused than I believe is wise or reflective of the real, natural world. We try to isolate ourselves in a protective wrapping from any possible harm or risk than is possible or healthy. An arrogance that we can control the natural world prevails, we're too removed and disconnected from it. A product of an overly litigious society. The concept of "microaggressions" could've never been conceived of without it.
Take entrepreneurialism. Once the hallmark of the US, the engine of economic growth and based in freedom and liberty. Today to open a business and provide for oneself and family requires license after license, insurance coverage, official documentation of recognized training. Permission and compliance. And endless reporting of every detail to the degree that whatever product of service an entrepreneur wishes to exchange for income becomes secondary to demands of a regulatory state. "For public safety."
These are not constraints in much of the world. While other places have their own challenges to overcome, like paying off local authorities or muscle "protection" rackets. Thing is, bribery, protection money, is the same damn thing as regulatory and legal compliance. Barriers to business that are considered more legitimate than passing off bags of money to the guy standing in the doorway with a lead pipe in his hand. We imagine because an army of paid lobbyists went to the halls of government to pass laws that result in more money and power for their special interest (enterprise) "for public safety" is somehow morally superior to thugs standing in doorways demanding their cut. But is it? What if the difference is paying Cousin Alfonso $250 for his "protection" or rubber stamp approval vs. paying Cousin Allstate $10,000 for his "protection" being documented at City Hall? Which is more moral? Which is more free? To keep the fruits of one's labor.
Legalism. Isn't based in virtue or morals. It's based in compliance. One doesn't mean the other. We just want to believe the Venn diagram overlap has more virtue and morals inside the shared portion of the circles of them and lawmaking than it really does.
Other places I've traveled value multigenerational family life more than the US. We place more of a premium on individual opportunity and separation from family in the US than much of the world. Multigenerational family life provides for grandparents being the grandchild's daycare provider while the parent works, children and grandchildren being the grandparent's senior care assisted living providers. Families have more inherent loving care and concern for their well-being than $12-$15/hr daycare or senior care workers, most of whom these days barely even speak the same language. The hired providers are paid top dollar for inferior care provided by their low-paid employee labor than a loving multigenerational family life provides for free. It becomes a treadmill, work harder, spend less time with family, to pay more for taking care of family that is necessitated by working harder to pay for the care of family. A never-ending cycle of removal from family and entrusting their care to people who could never care as much about those we ostensibly care most about. In exchange, we get more freedom for our own individual pursuits. Which system is better? More liberating? Depends on your values.
There's so many examples. And the myth that the US is the most technologically advanced nation in the world, providing the most current and best life-enhancing systems is just that, a myth. When you travel outside our borders you find a big world that is even more advanced in many ways. Even in what we imagine as backwards places in Latin America. More technologically advanced in many ways that are eye-opening. We've been conditioned to believe we still have a US on the leading edge as it once was - a half century ago. It no longer is. Our imagination is of a time that once was, our legacy, not our present. Mythology. Perpetuated by those in power to make us believe we're in a better state of societal health than we are. "Stay asleep. You're the best, America! Shhhh, go back to sleep."
Is life in the USA better? Depends on your values and perspectives. I am the product of it. I feel blessed to be a product of it. But I know that what I am the product of no longer exists. That production model has been replaced by a much inferior model. And I am now aware that even that which I believe is better based upon the old production model may not even be better; I'm just so hopelessly conditioned to prefer it that it's hard to let go of that illusion of being better.
One of the values I hold dearest and have felt blessed to have in abundance in the US is our right to free speech. Best protections in the world. Or they used to be. Stormy seas created by this maelstrom that's set upon us have created a ferociously rough surf that is rapidly eroding the constitutional levee protecting this sacred value I and many cherish, have taken for granted. Without free speech protections there would be little remaining that significantly separates the US as "better" at freedom than the rest of the world. Without free speech the US would arguably be an average to mediocre nation at freedom. We already have the world's largest prison population, even larger than nations with 5x's as many people living under totalitarian regimes, like Communist China. Free? Better? Depends on one's values.
I do know that authoritarian control models of governance are inherently evil, though. It's Cousin Alfonso and Cousin Allstate with lead pipes, police, courts, prisons, and licenses to kill without recourse all in one. Fascism. Communism. Marxism. Just -ism's to justify the exercise of force upon our beings. It's the worst of both worlds. And to be victorious we must re-secure the promises made in our contract with government nearly 250 years ago.
I ask myself how? How can you “program” somebody to literally murder? If it is true then all of us have that insanity vulnerability. I think the answer is not that far away from most of us. It is a function of the individuals perception of fear related to an exogenous threat. This is the true function of censorship, to create lying narratives that scare millions with facts that are not true. Some of these people will flip and believe that their actions can ‘save’ the world. A little subversive support, and you have a terrorist ‘cell’.
Probably can't program just anyone, but remember, we celebrate the ones that do it overseas in the name of 'Truth, Justice and the American Way' several times a year.
Somebody killed Kennedy when he was riding down the street in a Lincoln. Add that guy to the list.
I’m reading an old book, “The Agency, The rise and decline of the CIA”, John Ranelagh.
I remember the 70s and every commie cult in the world blamed the CIA as the incarnation of the devil. It was obviously lies back then, not so clear now, the CIA knows a lot, classified. That however does not make them the bad guys, just impotent in the face of true evil that would blame them.
"I think we are all vulnerable, if we were drafted into the DOD, and told the fight and violence were necessary for our very existence and dissent was a capitol crime, what could we do?"
There is no draft at this time, additionally, I don't recall the act of coercion mentioned. Lastly, if you don't dissent, you're back in the first group again; just another programmable drone.
I dissent then in the war against Russia. I do this for the love of my country the USA, which is being destroyed by the deep state fighting a proxy war in Ukraine.
I’m still studying Rome history. There is an interesting perspective that the Eastern Roman Empire encouraged the invasion and collapse of the western Roman empire (Rome itself) to further their own influence, 400 Ad or so. The aristocrats today believe they can house everyone in a one world tyranny with a secular ‘religion’. They are certainly wrong. Same or very similar mindset to Constantinople though.
George HW Bush was CIA Director from 1976-1977. And had been a clandestine agent under Fascist Allan Dulles' leadership in the 1960's. And his son, George W Bush went on to make Brennan his Chief of the National Counterterrorism Center. Bipartisan support for a Communist atop the nation's top intelligence agency under Obama.
"Oh, but Fascists like Dulles hate Communists, visceral hatred!!"
Not really.
Remember,"“There’s no doubt Beijing sees him as the best friend China has ever had in the White House.":
And it wouldn't be the first time in history that Fascists and Communists signed a Pact (with secret protocols) recognizing that both systems viewed western liberal capitalist nations as their most dangerous mutual enemies. Having systems with more in common than they do with western liberal capitalism.:
So the Spectator piece is limited by the scope of its investigation, presuming the Carter administration's friendliness to Communism was the only way a Communist like Brennan could've been recruited into the CIA. It was a demonstrably bipartisan effort.
I wanted to like this. But as I started to read it took a good premise and set of facts and went to a place that rendered it empty.
To look back at this history and not present information about the role of Fascists in American government, industry, media, academia and intelligence agencies like the CIA (Dulles) and FBI is flawed. This history backdrop was that struggle within our own government. And the criminal syndicates that used ideologies for political advantage, not any deeply held belief systems of governance.
Actors who later reached a detente, a sort of Hitler-Stalin Pact with secret protocols/top mob family organizational meeting.
RFK Jr. is right about who killed his father and uncle. Just not completely why. Any analysis or theory of what has happened, is happening and is planned that doesn't draw upon that underlying and overriding understanding is flawed.
Yes, Communism is dangerous as you explain in the minds of true believers, the cultists. It is an especially wicked ideological tool for its cult-making appeal. Fascism is a little less cultish in that it has that small partition of public-private partnership rather than totality of government. But it's equally dangerous in its ability to bring private industry efficiency to bear on bad public policy. It industrializes death. Better than Communism. While Communism is more likely to produce murdererous cultists it's a less efficient model that produces large piles of bodies because of its inefficiency. Not because they're the measure of production incentivized by Fascist governance.
Both. Are. Evil. And wielded as tools and weapons for criminal syndicates to rule the masses. Criminals who have more in common with each other than they do the people they rule over. With those ideological constructs providing a veneer of legitimacy to their criminal rule.
It seems we have reached a point where we are not any better than our Communist enemies, maybe it was never so, we just "faked" it better. Admittedly, not hard when your opponents are using the Communist Marxist playbook. Life in the USA is better, though not so much now that Communism (Fascism) has taken over. So there will be competition among the systems, I, for one, would like our system to emerge victorious. It will never be the same, it will never be able to go back to a "shining city on a hill," but none the less, victorious.
Is that too much to ask?
Life is *differently* better in the US. I learned in world travel that other ways of life around the world are better at many things in many ways than the US. There's tradeoffs. It comes down to what better ways and things do we, as individuals, value most? And what other peoples and systems around the world do more that better fits our value preferences.
The US has become overly safety and security focused than I believe is wise or reflective of the real, natural world. We try to isolate ourselves in a protective wrapping from any possible harm or risk than is possible or healthy. An arrogance that we can control the natural world prevails, we're too removed and disconnected from it. A product of an overly litigious society. The concept of "microaggressions" could've never been conceived of without it.
Take entrepreneurialism. Once the hallmark of the US, the engine of economic growth and based in freedom and liberty. Today to open a business and provide for oneself and family requires license after license, insurance coverage, official documentation of recognized training. Permission and compliance. And endless reporting of every detail to the degree that whatever product of service an entrepreneur wishes to exchange for income becomes secondary to demands of a regulatory state. "For public safety."
These are not constraints in much of the world. While other places have their own challenges to overcome, like paying off local authorities or muscle "protection" rackets. Thing is, bribery, protection money, is the same damn thing as regulatory and legal compliance. Barriers to business that are considered more legitimate than passing off bags of money to the guy standing in the doorway with a lead pipe in his hand. We imagine because an army of paid lobbyists went to the halls of government to pass laws that result in more money and power for their special interest (enterprise) "for public safety" is somehow morally superior to thugs standing in doorways demanding their cut. But is it? What if the difference is paying Cousin Alfonso $250 for his "protection" or rubber stamp approval vs. paying Cousin Allstate $10,000 for his "protection" being documented at City Hall? Which is more moral? Which is more free? To keep the fruits of one's labor.
Legalism. Isn't based in virtue or morals. It's based in compliance. One doesn't mean the other. We just want to believe the Venn diagram overlap has more virtue and morals inside the shared portion of the circles of them and lawmaking than it really does.
Other places I've traveled value multigenerational family life more than the US. We place more of a premium on individual opportunity and separation from family in the US than much of the world. Multigenerational family life provides for grandparents being the grandchild's daycare provider while the parent works, children and grandchildren being the grandparent's senior care assisted living providers. Families have more inherent loving care and concern for their well-being than $12-$15/hr daycare or senior care workers, most of whom these days barely even speak the same language. The hired providers are paid top dollar for inferior care provided by their low-paid employee labor than a loving multigenerational family life provides for free. It becomes a treadmill, work harder, spend less time with family, to pay more for taking care of family that is necessitated by working harder to pay for the care of family. A never-ending cycle of removal from family and entrusting their care to people who could never care as much about those we ostensibly care most about. In exchange, we get more freedom for our own individual pursuits. Which system is better? More liberating? Depends on your values.
There's so many examples. And the myth that the US is the most technologically advanced nation in the world, providing the most current and best life-enhancing systems is just that, a myth. When you travel outside our borders you find a big world that is even more advanced in many ways. Even in what we imagine as backwards places in Latin America. More technologically advanced in many ways that are eye-opening. We've been conditioned to believe we still have a US on the leading edge as it once was - a half century ago. It no longer is. Our imagination is of a time that once was, our legacy, not our present. Mythology. Perpetuated by those in power to make us believe we're in a better state of societal health than we are. "Stay asleep. You're the best, America! Shhhh, go back to sleep."
Is life in the USA better? Depends on your values and perspectives. I am the product of it. I feel blessed to be a product of it. But I know that what I am the product of no longer exists. That production model has been replaced by a much inferior model. And I am now aware that even that which I believe is better based upon the old production model may not even be better; I'm just so hopelessly conditioned to prefer it that it's hard to let go of that illusion of being better.
One of the values I hold dearest and have felt blessed to have in abundance in the US is our right to free speech. Best protections in the world. Or they used to be. Stormy seas created by this maelstrom that's set upon us have created a ferociously rough surf that is rapidly eroding the constitutional levee protecting this sacred value I and many cherish, have taken for granted. Without free speech protections there would be little remaining that significantly separates the US as "better" at freedom than the rest of the world. Without free speech the US would arguably be an average to mediocre nation at freedom. We already have the world's largest prison population, even larger than nations with 5x's as many people living under totalitarian regimes, like Communist China. Free? Better? Depends on one's values.
I do know that authoritarian control models of governance are inherently evil, though. It's Cousin Alfonso and Cousin Allstate with lead pipes, police, courts, prisons, and licenses to kill without recourse all in one. Fascism. Communism. Marxism. Just -ism's to justify the exercise of force upon our beings. It's the worst of both worlds. And to be victorious we must re-secure the promises made in our contract with government nearly 250 years ago.
It's ok to like a comment because the commenter raises an interesting point, whether or not you agree with it or not.
Yes, the whole point of the article and comments is to add to the discussion.
BRAVO, Frank.
Good point. I may have phrased my comment more accurately if I said I wanted to agree with the writer's premise.
I'm enjoying the exchange between you two, kudos X2.
Seems the underlying premise is to rationalize the Ukraine debacle and ignore the WEF and globalists who are the main drivers of the great reset BS!
I ask myself how? How can you “program” somebody to literally murder? If it is true then all of us have that insanity vulnerability. I think the answer is not that far away from most of us. It is a function of the individuals perception of fear related to an exogenous threat. This is the true function of censorship, to create lying narratives that scare millions with facts that are not true. Some of these people will flip and believe that their actions can ‘save’ the world. A little subversive support, and you have a terrorist ‘cell’.
Probably can't program just anyone, but remember, we celebrate the ones that do it overseas in the name of 'Truth, Justice and the American Way' several times a year.
Somebody killed Kennedy when he was riding down the street in a Lincoln. Add that guy to the list.
I’m reading an old book, “The Agency, The rise and decline of the CIA”, John Ranelagh.
I remember the 70s and every commie cult in the world blamed the CIA as the incarnation of the devil. It was obviously lies back then, not so clear now, the CIA knows a lot, classified. That however does not make them the bad guys, just impotent in the face of true evil that would blame them.
"I think we are all vulnerable, if we were drafted into the DOD, and told the fight and violence were necessary for our very existence and dissent was a capitol crime, what could we do?"
There is no draft at this time, additionally, I don't recall the act of coercion mentioned. Lastly, if you don't dissent, you're back in the first group again; just another programmable drone.
I dissent then in the war against Russia. I do this for the love of my country the USA, which is being destroyed by the deep state fighting a proxy war in Ukraine.
Stultus adhuc sumus.
Seems that the US was merely an outpost used to turn Europe into a Communist gulag.
Oh I think they were very expert at that themselves, especially as they let us then and now defend them.
I’m still studying Rome history. There is an interesting perspective that the Eastern Roman Empire encouraged the invasion and collapse of the western Roman empire (Rome itself) to further their own influence, 400 Ad or so. The aristocrats today believe they can house everyone in a one world tyranny with a secular ‘religion’. They are certainly wrong. Same or very similar mindset to Constantinople though.
Something that is important to remember is that often the 'history' that you're studying was written by 'them'.
Once 'our' guys were installed, the job was accomplished. To whom would they be defending themselves from once they were defeated?
Reagan was a Hollywood actor, Bush Sr was a CIA Spook.
Guess what happened in the 1970's:
https://spectator.org/john-brennan-a-security-risk-from-the-start/
For him to be made the head of the CIA - with bipartisan approval!!! - informs what happened.
Excellent post!
This shows it was totally corrupted back then.
From the Spectator piece:
"Whoever hired Brennan must have been a Deep State holdover from the Carter years."
Or a Deeper State holdover from the Fascist Bush Family Syndicate years?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar?all=true
https://www.salon.com/2019/01/25/the-real-reason-the-cia-loved-george-h-w-bush_partner/
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/01/10/2010-01-10_meet_the_cia_guy_who_let_bam_down.html
George HW Bush was CIA Director from 1976-1977. And had been a clandestine agent under Fascist Allan Dulles' leadership in the 1960's. And his son, George W Bush went on to make Brennan his Chief of the National Counterterrorism Center. Bipartisan support for a Communist atop the nation's top intelligence agency under Obama.
"Oh, but Fascists like Dulles hate Communists, visceral hatred!!"
Not really.
Remember,"“There’s no doubt Beijing sees him as the best friend China has ever had in the White House.":
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/01/asia/george-h-w-bush-china-intl/index.html
And it wouldn't be the first time in history that Fascists and Communists signed a Pact (with secret protocols) recognizing that both systems viewed western liberal capitalist nations as their most dangerous mutual enemies. Having systems with more in common than they do with western liberal capitalism.:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234008336_The_Hitler-Stalin_pact_discussion_of_the_Non-Aggression_Treaty_and_the_secret_protocols
So the Spectator piece is limited by the scope of its investigation, presuming the Carter administration's friendliness to Communism was the only way a Communist like Brennan could've been recruited into the CIA. It was a demonstrably bipartisan effort.
Just wow - save to disk!