"The totalitarian states can do great things, but there is one thing they cannot do: they cannot give the factory-worker a rifle and tell him to take it home and keep it in his bedroom. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage, is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
There are countless articles and commentators and pundits who fence and tangle, who tumble and roll the slogans and platitudes of gun control, civilian disarmament, public safety, gun violence epidemics, commonsense restrictions, loopholes, Second Amendment rights and other sophisticated and nuanced and ultimately irrelevant sophistries that dance around and completely avoid the blunt and brutally honest point of lethal, military grade weapons in the hands of civilians.
They are in those hands for one purpose, and one purpose only.
That purpose is cold, unmistakable and ruthless.
It is to enable free men and women to rise up and butcher tyrants with gunfire.
Free men have an inherent and sacred right to overthrow and kill the tyrants that brutalize and oppress them. When free men are armed with lethal military grade weapons that right is backed by a dramatic and unstoppable power.
That power is what the politicians who drive the American nation towards scores of trillions of dollars of debt lie awake worrying about, and why they posture and preen and celebrate any opportunistic chance to dance in the blood of the murdered with wailing cries of “we must do something” before the gunfire has even stopped.
That power is what today’s blithering and ridiculous social justice warriors are terrified of. For all their well-publicized concern about rape and so-called “rape culture”, they cynically ignore the most important type of rape as applied to the freedom and dignity of human beings.
“Rape is about power”, they say, “not about sex”.
“It’s about taking someone’s power away from them without their consent.”
Gun control is the very definition of rape. ~Ivan Throne
It did. If you read the whole article she mentions that. I posted a bit of her information in my https://www.courageouslion.us/p/those-forgotten-and-ignored-13-words BTW...I did a search for Those Forgotten and Ignored 13 Words and the top THIRTY FOUR on DuckDuckGo was that article!
I've had both. The modularity and ergonomics of the AR 15 far surpass the mini 14. And it is typically a heck of a lot more accurate. My mini could not keep 1" groups at 100 yards no matter what ammo I used. I can keep some of my AR's on a dime size area at 100 yards easily.
I have a few 16" 5.56 that can put 10 rounds on a dime at 100 yards. One is a Faxon match barreled flame fluted that is built on an Ambi Cross Machine and Tool receiver set with a 2.5 pound trigger and a Primary Arms scope. I also have Wilson Combat, Seekins Precision, Aero Precision, Falkor Defense, Rainier Arms, Anderson, Stag Arms in standard and left hand versions...Yankee Hill Machine, Eagle Arms/Armalite, Ruger, S&W... heck I got to stop and think..
I've got a pair of suppressed Kreigers, one a SPR 18" and the other a 16" Recon, they and the Douglas 18" do fine at range, the 16" showing zero shift, can or not.
Actually, a 100 round drum is quite the tool to use to advance on multiple enemy positions. You see, you keep them down with the fire and just keep moving in and knock them off one by one. You just need some balls. It also would be a good drum to use for cover to help your guys move in on bad guys. The only issue I ever had after running one through 100 rounds as fast as I could was the Magpul site falling off the front of the handguard because it melted. They sent me another and asked for me to not do that again! LOL!. I also have one of these! LOL! On an AR "pistol". Well just for a picture.
Reminds me of these Repeat felons who are still fighting for their freedom. Documentary: The murders of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqS6OFuUXe8
One thing in common all preps are black Repeat Offenders of violent crime.
Stay Armed. No sign will stop them. Just get better at hiding it.
The story of Channon and Chris are absolutely horrid. I remember reading about that back when it happened years ago. Those animals should have been shot immediately after conviction.
Kid looks like he's 12, no peach fuzz. 4 indicted in killing of Arizona teen found beaten outside Halloween party
Three teenagers and a 20-year-old man have been indicted in the death of an Arizona 16-year-old boy who was found badly beaten outside a Halloween party last year, the Maricopa County prosecutor said.
The beating of Preston Lord, 16, who died two days after he was found on a road in Queen Creek on Oct. 28, prompted calls for more police action against group violence by teenagers in that and other nearby cities.
The defendants — William Owen Hines, 18, and Dominic Turner, 20, as well as two 17-year-olds — are all charged with first-degree murder or, in the alternative, second-degree murder, as well as kidnapping, Maricopa County Attorney Rachel Mitchell said. Turner is also charged with robbery, she said.
My BFF's 8-year-old was raped, strangled unconscious with her shoelaces, tied in an old car blanket, taken to the Wolf River Boat dock, and drowned in 1990. In trial 1, judges read the wrong instructions to the jury. 30 years of appeals, Trial 2 the same DP was given. He is now appealing that trial on the same grounds. For another 30 years, Nikki will still be dead, as will her mom. Her killer may drop dead on DR I hope. If some libtard judge doesn't release him. Then she will have parole hearings to go through. That automatically goes with the date of the crime. Not 1 dime in travel money or lodging for her, just his family.
Whatever you do...do not post the race of the perps...because at that second you will be called out as a racist. The most racist race in the USA right now are BLACK. Fact. And of course the one in Philly they blame on "gun violence" instead of PSYCHOPATH violence. I want my gun on me so that if someone pulls some shit like that in my vicinity, I'll save him/her from having to worry about a trial. AIM SMALL, MISS SMALL.
Something has been off for many years..however..I myself opened my eyes wide in 2016 when the new Lib (Davos inserted) 1st act was to ‘Open Border’ to the world! The PM even tweeted it to the world. When I told ppl this is not good for the country..I was laughed at..ridiculed..sneered at! Cnd is a wire frame for what ‘they’ want in US. I have been surprised Americans didn’t take note of it at the time..I posted everywhere about it. Got kicked off FB & Twitter about these things. Pray for America..where is colonial militia when you need them?
I'm an AR 15/10 lover. I have one in almost ever caliber imaginable...just because. 5.56 is the least of them outside of a .22 conversion. And I actually have one in .22. Caliber. And in 5.56/.223, 300 Blackout, 350 Legend, 9mm PPC, .450 Bushmaster, 50 Beowulf, .308/7.62x51 Nato, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmore, 300 Winchester Magnum (NEMO arms) And I could get, thanks to Bear Creek Arsenal, 22/250 and .243 Winchester. But I haven't and most likely won't. Or will I? And most I have built myself. Some are super accurate builds. If anyone has any questions about them...DM me. I also handload. Have since I was 20. That's been 50 years. I still have my first AR build. The only thing original on it is the lower receiver, bolt carrier assembly and barrel. On Monday - Friday almost ever day I shoot 50 rounds of pistol and 20 rounds of rifle. Today it was 60 rounds of .357 SIG. I can keep it on a 6" plate at 35 yards. And yes, I'm bragging. LOL!
I put a blast deflector on one and it beats the shit out of your shoulder. The other one is fine! Except you're limited to about 10 rounds in a 30 round AR magazine and you SHOULD use a special follower for it. It knocks a 12 inch 1/2 steel AR 500 plate into the air pretty darn good. It would be a great round if a robber was next door hiding behind their refrigerator. I could shoot through four walls and the refrigerator and hit him.
Good repost Edwin. Personally, due to my research and knowledge I see the AR 15 in 5.56 as the minimum. I wouldn't want anything less than the 300 Blackout for defense. Reason being the 5.56 round does not impart as much energy as the 300 Blackout. The cost of ammo is substantially higher for the Blackout which is why a person might consider having two uppers that you can trade out. PERSONALLY? I just obtained a RUGER SFAR .308 and am pretty happy with it, even though I think Ruger needs to do a little work on it. That's another story. I never leave home without an AR 10 7.62x51 (.308) in my car with a laser sight, bipod and few 30 round magazines and a 50 round drum for backup.
This article explains why I prefer .308 over 5.56 https://vinsuprynowicz.com/?p=1683 I also OPEN carry in a cross draw either a Glock 33 in .357 SIG or a Glock 29 or 30 in 10mm or .45 ACP. They are my martial arts replacement.
Good reasoning, however for me, my SPR AR easily covers my target range, and with Mk262 ammo, is plenty lethal. I do have a M-78 in 7.62X51 with 20 and 25 round mags., as well as a variety of other AKs, M-92 SBR, and such.
The numbers are escaping me. Not sure what a SPR AR is, MK262 or a M-78 or the M-92. LOL! and yet I know a LOT about these rifles. Just can't remember all the numbers that some folks attach to them.
Funny, for as many years I've been dealing with these, all those numbers never stuck. I always called rifles either a carbine or rifle. And an AK an AK. 77 grain ammo 77 grain ammo. LOL! I have one AK and it's a machined version. I don't even remember who made it unless I go dig it out. I can't stand the ergonomics and the ammo is very limited when it comes to variety. 300 Blackout can be loaded with dozens of bullets. The 7.62 x 39...maybe three are readily available. IF you can even find them.
I got some of the old Iraqi brass cased stuff 7.62X39, Saddam had it made, sweet stuff in the M-92 Krink SBR. I've only got about a case left, but it shoots much better than my Golden Tiger Ammo.
Does the Iraqi ammo have berdan primers in it or boxer? If boxer, don't loose it! Save it. It's reloadable. Berdan, way to hard to deal with. I bought a few cases when it was cheap. They I let folks buy some from me that hadn't thought ahead. I guess I have maybe 1000 left. Every caliber I have, I have at LEAST 1K of ammo for it. And in some cases I try to have 1K for each weapon. Just in case.
When the evil WEF tyrants who control all the dirty politicians worldwide tell us & show us they want to depopulate us, how better to do that than cause civil wars in every country?!
They are forcing globalization on the world & pumping fear & hate porn 24/7 through their MSM fake news.
We also know our governments worldwide have perpetrated FF attacks on innocent civilians, especially those who don’t agree with them or our innocent children who cannot fight back.
They make most public places a “gun free zone” so the criminals know where to attack.
Countries who hate us are emptying their prisons across our borders & now we have very evil gangs from every country filling our neighborhoods with even more drugs, paedophiles, traffickers, murderers & crime.
But as soon as one illegal shows up in a rich neighborhood they immediately bus them out to one of ours!
But as many guns & ammo as possible & train to use them!
You may save your life, a loved ones life or a neighbor.
I pray we never need to use one but I’d rather have it & never need it than need it & not have it?
Blessings to all & prayers for more peace & love & less elites & their evil agendas, lies & hatred.
"The totalitarian states can do great things, but there is one thing they cannot do: they cannot give the factory-worker a rifle and tell him to take it home and keep it in his bedroom. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage, is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
https://drp314.substack.com/p/second-amendment-quotes
One of my favorite quotes.
BRAVO
South Carolina is days away from the Governor signing the 2A constitutional carry.
Done deal
Ya hoo! I lived in SC when I was in the service so I have a warm place in my heart.
There are countless articles and commentators and pundits who fence and tangle, who tumble and roll the slogans and platitudes of gun control, civilian disarmament, public safety, gun violence epidemics, commonsense restrictions, loopholes, Second Amendment rights and other sophisticated and nuanced and ultimately irrelevant sophistries that dance around and completely avoid the blunt and brutally honest point of lethal, military grade weapons in the hands of civilians.
They are in those hands for one purpose, and one purpose only.
That purpose is cold, unmistakable and ruthless.
It is to enable free men and women to rise up and butcher tyrants with gunfire.
Free men have an inherent and sacred right to overthrow and kill the tyrants that brutalize and oppress them. When free men are armed with lethal military grade weapons that right is backed by a dramatic and unstoppable power.
That power is what the politicians who drive the American nation towards scores of trillions of dollars of debt lie awake worrying about, and why they posture and preen and celebrate any opportunistic chance to dance in the blood of the murdered with wailing cries of “we must do something” before the gunfire has even stopped.
That power is what today’s blithering and ridiculous social justice warriors are terrified of. For all their well-publicized concern about rape and so-called “rape culture”, they cynically ignore the most important type of rape as applied to the freedom and dignity of human beings.
“Rape is about power”, they say, “not about sex”.
“It’s about taking someone’s power away from them without their consent.”
Gun control is the very definition of rape. ~Ivan Throne
From former lefty Naomi Wolf, a very good article on the 2A, Uber liberal gets a clue.
https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/rethinking-the-second-amendment
Her husband Brian is a security specialist.
That probably helped her.
It did. If you read the whole article she mentions that. I posted a bit of her information in my https://www.courageouslion.us/p/those-forgotten-and-ignored-13-words BTW...I did a search for Those Forgotten and Ignored 13 Words and the top THIRTY FOUR on DuckDuckGo was that article!
The mini-14 is great; but ours came standard with 5-rd mags. The 10s I got (California) sucked...jammed...thoughts?
Commifornia is ridiculous! And there’s LOTS of gun ownership here! It’s unfortunate that CA can’t go back to being RED!
https://x.com/jenvanlaar/status/1765259120972562683?s=20
I hear ya Emily! I watched the percentage of incoming votes go DOWN! My bf sent it to me and I saved it! How the hell does THAT happen?!
How do you go from 53% to 42%???? Major cheating!!!!
Nope, sorry, lol! The AR-15, in my humble opinion beats the Mini-14!
https://youtube.com/shorts/XYlyw0XcuQ4?si=V9B9aJI6gsDBbHiF
I’m not ever trading my AR for a Mini!
I’ll never turn down an extra “equalizer”! Comprende?😉😎
They are both fine weapons, proud to own either.
I've had both. The modularity and ergonomics of the AR 15 far surpass the mini 14. And it is typically a heck of a lot more accurate. My mini could not keep 1" groups at 100 yards no matter what ammo I used. I can keep some of my AR's on a dime size area at 100 yards easily.
Neither can the typical M16, it's still a fine weapon, just not a target rifle.
That the AR-15 can be set up as such is it's modularity.
I have a few 16" 5.56 that can put 10 rounds on a dime at 100 yards. One is a Faxon match barreled flame fluted that is built on an Ambi Cross Machine and Tool receiver set with a 2.5 pound trigger and a Primary Arms scope. I also have Wilson Combat, Seekins Precision, Aero Precision, Falkor Defense, Rainier Arms, Anderson, Stag Arms in standard and left hand versions...Yankee Hill Machine, Eagle Arms/Armalite, Ruger, S&W... heck I got to stop and think..
I've got a pair of suppressed Kreigers, one a SPR 18" and the other a 16" Recon, they and the Douglas 18" do fine at range, the 16" showing zero shift, can or not.
Buy some quality mags for it, 30 rounders I'd suggest. At least a couple.
https://shopruger.com/Mini-14-556-NATO_223-Rem-30-Round-Magazine/productinfo/90035/
Or one of these. https://gunmagwarehouse.com/kci-ruger-mini-14-223-5-56-100-round-dual-drum-magazine.html
I would never use that in any form of combat except overwatch, and it would have to be a helluva overwatch.
Actually, a 100 round drum is quite the tool to use to advance on multiple enemy positions. You see, you keep them down with the fire and just keep moving in and knock them off one by one. You just need some balls. It also would be a good drum to use for cover to help your guys move in on bad guys. The only issue I ever had after running one through 100 rounds as fast as I could was the Magpul site falling off the front of the handguard because it melted. They sent me another and asked for me to not do that again! LOL!. I also have one of these! LOL! On an AR "pistol". Well just for a picture.
https://www.armatac.com/product/products-saw-mag/
Assault overwatch would of course require different things.
That is massive on a pistol!
I DMed
you a picture of it.
Do not forget to get your jab while complying with all the other mandates folks! Love to all...
Well, that'll never happen with this group!
http://bornagainclassics.com/images/me-w-barrett-vaccinations-c.jpg Yeah, I have one of these too...just in case I need to protect my AR collection from a far away.
Edwin, great minds... from 2022
https://emilytvproducer.substack.com/p/why-you-actually-do-need-an-ar-15
I wrote that mostly to troll gun-grabby leftist family members.
But you might want to survive the storm, rat least take a few with you.
PUKE ALERT
Alabama woman was stripped, tortured and raped before being shot
An Alabama mother was kidnapped and tortured for hours before being gang raped and murdered by a gang of eight.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13160833/Alabama-mother-Mahogany-Jackson-stripped-tortured-forced-perform-sex-acts-gang-four-men-four-women-shot-head-sickening-kidnapping-murder-filmed-cops-say.html
Reminds me of these Repeat felons who are still fighting for their freedom. Documentary: The murders of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqS6OFuUXe8
One thing in common all preps are black Repeat Offenders of violent crime.
Stay Armed. No sign will stop them. Just get better at hiding it.
The story of Channon and Chris are absolutely horrid. I remember reading about that back when it happened years ago. Those animals should have been shot immediately after conviction.
Few remember it today. 8 students shot at SEPTA bus stop in Philadelphia: Police. https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/northeast-philadelphia-shooting-rising-sun-cottman-avenues/
Kid looks like he's 12, no peach fuzz. 4 indicted in killing of Arizona teen found beaten outside Halloween party
Three teenagers and a 20-year-old man have been indicted in the death of an Arizona 16-year-old boy who was found badly beaten outside a Halloween party last year, the Maricopa County prosecutor said.
The beating of Preston Lord, 16, who died two days after he was found on a road in Queen Creek on Oct. 28, prompted calls for more police action against group violence by teenagers in that and other nearby cities.
The defendants — William Owen Hines, 18, and Dominic Turner, 20, as well as two 17-year-olds — are all charged with first-degree murder or, in the alternative, second-degree murder, as well as kidnapping, Maricopa County Attorney Rachel Mitchell said. Turner is also charged with robbery, she said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna142183.
Juvys even tried as adults don't get the DP.
My BFF's 8-year-old was raped, strangled unconscious with her shoelaces, tied in an old car blanket, taken to the Wolf River Boat dock, and drowned in 1990. In trial 1, judges read the wrong instructions to the jury. 30 years of appeals, Trial 2 the same DP was given. He is now appealing that trial on the same grounds. For another 30 years, Nikki will still be dead, as will her mom. Her killer may drop dead on DR I hope. If some libtard judge doesn't release him. Then she will have parole hearings to go through. That automatically goes with the date of the crime. Not 1 dime in travel money or lodging for her, just his family.
Whatever you do...do not post the race of the perps...because at that second you will be called out as a racist. The most racist race in the USA right now are BLACK. Fact. And of course the one in Philly they blame on "gun violence" instead of PSYCHOPATH violence. I want my gun on me so that if someone pulls some shit like that in my vicinity, I'll save him/her from having to worry about a trial. AIM SMALL, MISS SMALL.
Disgusting!
I recently fitted a Pelosi chain saw attachment to my AR....love it.
Where can I order one.
Something has been off for many years..however..I myself opened my eyes wide in 2016 when the new Lib (Davos inserted) 1st act was to ‘Open Border’ to the world! The PM even tweeted it to the world. When I told ppl this is not good for the country..I was laughed at..ridiculed..sneered at! Cnd is a wire frame for what ‘they’ want in US. I have been surprised Americans didn’t take note of it at the time..I posted everywhere about it. Got kicked off FB & Twitter about these things. Pray for America..where is colonial militia when you need them?
I'm an AR 15/10 lover. I have one in almost ever caliber imaginable...just because. 5.56 is the least of them outside of a .22 conversion. And I actually have one in .22. Caliber. And in 5.56/.223, 300 Blackout, 350 Legend, 9mm PPC, .450 Bushmaster, 50 Beowulf, .308/7.62x51 Nato, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmore, 300 Winchester Magnum (NEMO arms) And I could get, thanks to Bear Creek Arsenal, 22/250 and .243 Winchester. But I haven't and most likely won't. Or will I? And most I have built myself. Some are super accurate builds. If anyone has any questions about them...DM me. I also handload. Have since I was 20. That's been 50 years. I still have my first AR build. The only thing original on it is the lower receiver, bolt carrier assembly and barrel. On Monday - Friday almost ever day I shoot 50 rounds of pistol and 20 rounds of rifle. Today it was 60 rounds of .357 SIG. I can keep it on a 6" plate at 35 yards. And yes, I'm bragging. LOL!
Bragg good buddy, BRAGG.
You can enter my foxhole anytime.
How's that .450 Bushmaster?
I put a blast deflector on one and it beats the shit out of your shoulder. The other one is fine! Except you're limited to about 10 rounds in a 30 round AR magazine and you SHOULD use a special follower for it. It knocks a 12 inch 1/2 steel AR 500 plate into the air pretty darn good. It would be a great round if a robber was next door hiding behind their refrigerator. I could shoot through four walls and the refrigerator and hit him.
Good repost Edwin. Personally, due to my research and knowledge I see the AR 15 in 5.56 as the minimum. I wouldn't want anything less than the 300 Blackout for defense. Reason being the 5.56 round does not impart as much energy as the 300 Blackout. The cost of ammo is substantially higher for the Blackout which is why a person might consider having two uppers that you can trade out. PERSONALLY? I just obtained a RUGER SFAR .308 and am pretty happy with it, even though I think Ruger needs to do a little work on it. That's another story. I never leave home without an AR 10 7.62x51 (.308) in my car with a laser sight, bipod and few 30 round magazines and a 50 round drum for backup.
This article explains why I prefer .308 over 5.56 https://vinsuprynowicz.com/?p=1683 I also OPEN carry in a cross draw either a Glock 33 in .357 SIG or a Glock 29 or 30 in 10mm or .45 ACP. They are my martial arts replacement.
Good reasoning, however for me, my SPR AR easily covers my target range, and with Mk262 ammo, is plenty lethal. I do have a M-78 in 7.62X51 with 20 and 25 round mags., as well as a variety of other AKs, M-92 SBR, and such.
The numbers are escaping me. Not sure what a SPR AR is, MK262 or a M-78 or the M-92. LOL! and yet I know a LOT about these rifles. Just can't remember all the numbers that some folks attach to them.
SPR = special purpose rifle (18")
MK262 = 77gr 5,56 ammo
M-78 = AK based on Finland Design
M-92 = Zastava Krinkov
Krieger = Barrel Manufacturer
Funny, for as many years I've been dealing with these, all those numbers never stuck. I always called rifles either a carbine or rifle. And an AK an AK. 77 grain ammo 77 grain ammo. LOL! I have one AK and it's a machined version. I don't even remember who made it unless I go dig it out. I can't stand the ergonomics and the ammo is very limited when it comes to variety. 300 Blackout can be loaded with dozens of bullets. The 7.62 x 39...maybe three are readily available. IF you can even find them.
I got some of the old Iraqi brass cased stuff 7.62X39, Saddam had it made, sweet stuff in the M-92 Krink SBR. I've only got about a case left, but it shoots much better than my Golden Tiger Ammo.
Does the Iraqi ammo have berdan primers in it or boxer? If boxer, don't loose it! Save it. It's reloadable. Berdan, way to hard to deal with. I bought a few cases when it was cheap. They I let folks buy some from me that hadn't thought ahead. I guess I have maybe 1000 left. Every caliber I have, I have at LEAST 1K of ammo for it. And in some cases I try to have 1K for each weapon. Just in case.
I couldn’t agree more!
When the evil WEF tyrants who control all the dirty politicians worldwide tell us & show us they want to depopulate us, how better to do that than cause civil wars in every country?!
They are forcing globalization on the world & pumping fear & hate porn 24/7 through their MSM fake news.
We also know our governments worldwide have perpetrated FF attacks on innocent civilians, especially those who don’t agree with them or our innocent children who cannot fight back.
They make most public places a “gun free zone” so the criminals know where to attack.
Countries who hate us are emptying their prisons across our borders & now we have very evil gangs from every country filling our neighborhoods with even more drugs, paedophiles, traffickers, murderers & crime.
But as soon as one illegal shows up in a rich neighborhood they immediately bus them out to one of ours!
But as many guns & ammo as possible & train to use them!
You may save your life, a loved ones life or a neighbor.
I pray we never need to use one but I’d rather have it & never need it than need it & not have it?
Blessings to all & prayers for more peace & love & less elites & their evil agendas, lies & hatred.
“Buy”
I hate spellcheck! 🙄
Me too.
One of my all time FAVORITE loser clips (no pun intended)…https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0?si=JteYC_ECf6EGCLel
CLASSIC LIBTARD!
last link blocked on brave.....quelle suprise...
Where is best place to buy one?
I would start my checking at an independent gun shop.
Thank you❤️
On everything else, too. Oh well.....
https://pjmedia.com/kevindowneyjr/2021/05/06/eight-lovely-ar-15-facts-7th-is-the-best-you-need-to-argue-with-a-lib-n1445010